Tuesday, March 03, 2015

THE OLD WORN CHANNEL OF POLITICS.

This Netanyahu thing reminds me in some ways of the visit Hungarian freedom fighter Louis Kossuth made to the States in 1851, as described by Francis Brown in his biography of New York Times founder Henry Raymond, Raymond of the Times. As Brown has it, Millard Fillmore and the conservative Whigs didn't want Kossuth to have too prominent a reception, on grounds that "public concern with what was held to be solely a European matter endangered American neutrality and held the threat of war," and abstained from welcoming him to Washington. But the proto-Republican Senator William Seward and Raymond "saw political significance in [Kossuth's] visit" and whooped him up when he came to New York, which effort did not go unresisted:
The city's bells peeled, and cannon boomed from Governor's Island, Bedloe's Island, the Navy Yard, and Brooklyn Heights. He came ashore at Castle Garden -- the Battery's trees were black with cheering boys... 
 At the Irving House more than 400 prominent New Yorkers and distinguished guests gather for the municipal dinner for Kossuth. In the banqueting hall, where evergreens masked the salon's columns and the Stars and Stripes was linked with the Hungarian Tricolor, the dinner moves slowly through its many courses and the wine was passed and repassed. The evening's guest of honor spoke for more than an hour. Toasts followed. That to the press belonged to Raymond, and as he prepared to respond, his figure dwarfed in the gay assemblage, [New York Courier and Enquirer editor] James Watson Webb challenged his right to speak. Cries of "Raymond!" "Webb!" echoed through the banquet hall, and when quiet was momentarily restored, Raymond tried to explain that he was only performing a duty assigned to him. Webb once more challenged his right. There were cheers, hisses, and boos, and as confusion mounted, the police were called...
So not everyone liked that idea, either. Also, Kossuth had a unfortunate taste for meddling in American affairs, just like Netanyahu. And, Brown reports from a contemporary account, "on this excitement the Times gained laurels and subscribers, and the Hungarians dollars and sympathy..." which analogizes nicely with the hopes of many rightwing Bibi's Boys who've been trying for years to get Jewish-Americans to love the GOP.

There are some major differences between the 1851 contretemps and this, though. For one, the White House eventually relented and received Kossuth, Congress invited him to be the first foreigner since Lafayette to address a joint session, and even Daniel Webster was inveigled to a Kossuth dinner where he "offered somewhat indiscreetly a toast to Hungarian independence that made Kossuth momentarily happy." ("The Hungarian question has settled down into the old worn channel of politics," Seward observed.) For another, Kossuth was according to Brown widely popular in America as "a symbol of European liberty"; Netanyahu, not so much

Also, there is no record of Seward or other Kossuth admirers like Abraham Lincoln crying aloud that Kossuth was their true leader, not this so-called President of the United States, as so many conservative nuts have been doing lately. (Quin Hillyer's ravings at National Review -- e.g., "Netanyahu — who spent far more of his formative years on the American mainland than Obama did, and who took enemy fire at the age when Obama was openly pushing Marxist theory..." -- are perhaps their ripest expression, though as we get closer to speech time maybe some of them will compose and perform a "Bibi for President" anthem.)

Finally, one may say that the Young America adherents who were hot for Kossuth and other European revolutionaries had at least the advantage of idealism on their side, not to mention fewer American historical examples to show them how badly these enthusiasms can turn out.

UPDATE. Well, that was bizarre. Say, how about we invite Iceland president Ólafur Ragnar Grímsson to Congress to tell us how we should handle our rogue bankers? (I admit the analogy with Netanyahu isn't perfect, as Iceland is not trying to muscle anything out of us.)

117 comments:

  1. http://www.cbc.ca/strombo/content/images/Is-This-The-UN-Or-A-Wile-E-Coyote-Cartoon-Plus-The-Top-5-Most-Bizarre-Speeches-Ever-at-the-United-Nations-feature6.jpg

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  2. Megalon10:30 AM

    Also, Mr. Kossuth wasn't attempting to sabotage American diplomacy and undermine American foreign policy and security.

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  3. also, no nukes

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  4. http://s2.b3ta.com/host/creative/26570/1348905843/bomb.jpg

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  5. coozledad10:38 AM

    The Republicans have anointed Bibi Jesus thing 2, and to refuse to attend his speech is sacrilege. Not to mention antisemitsm and racism.

    They're gonna straighten that shit out:

    http://wonkette.com/578206/tea-party-lady-just-wants-to-string-up-blacks-who-skip-netanyahus-big-speech

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  6. DocAmazing10:51 AM

    Some days you just can't get rid of a bum.

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  7. DocAmazing10:55 AM

    Having spent a little time in Hawai'i, and none at all in the middle of the US land mass, I fail to see why Netanyahu is any better off for having spent more of his formative years on the American mainland. I would assume it has something to do with the average complexions of the neighbors in each setting, but that would be ungenerous of me.

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  8. carolannie11:02 AM

    LOL! Darn good.

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  9. M. Krebs11:02 AM

    I say it's high time we settled the issue of Hawaiian statehood!

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  10. Gromet11:17 AM

    I think it's fun that Netanyahu claims he represents all the Jewish people. By fun I mean clinically insane. How does that not immediately disqualify him from further comment? No one represents all-- I mean, you couldn't even say Wayne Gretzky represents all Canadians. (Okay maybe that's a bad example.)

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  11. swkellogg11:22 AM

    Is that Bibi's dreaded "demographic bomb"?

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  12. BigHank5311:24 AM

    Welp. that's enough for me to throw my support behind the killer asteroid:

    Giant Asteroid 2016: It Won't Need a Running Mate!

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  13. Gretzky was at least good at his job.

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  14. Not to mention antisemitsmHey girl, don't forget the ropes for John Yarmuth and Bernie Sanders. And Feinstein might not be skipping the speech, but she's criticized it. So it's not just black Congressional Democrats who are antisemites.

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  15. Yeah, Denmark's Chief Rabbi had to tell Bibi to step off after the latter's ghoulish call for Danish Jews to emigrate following that recent cartoonist-related incident. And the mayor of the Satmar community of Kiryas Joel, NY has requested that Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney not attend the speech. #NotMyJewishPope

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  16. dstatton11:37 AM

    Besides, his time here was on the East Coast (including Cambridge!), not the Heartland, where the Real Americans are.

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  17. swkellogg11:39 AM

    No self-respecting asteroid would waste its time.

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  18. not to mention fewer American historical examples to show them how badly these enthusiasms can turn out.And Bibi is the same guy who was in one of the most recent enthusiasms up to his neck. I mean, seriously: "Remember when I told everyone what a grave threat Iraq was, helped prime the WMD bullshit catapault, and suggested 'Let's you and him fight'? Well, I'm here today to boldly cut-and-paste 'Iran' in place of 'Iraq.'"

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  19. DocAmazing11:43 AM

    What's one letter difference? Anyone can make a typo!

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  20. Hence the tenditious formulation "on the American mainland." Hillyer wants to make it seem like Netanyahu was wearing bibi overalls and hanging out at the country store, rather than admitting he was just another coastal elitist.

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  21. DocAmazing11:44 AM

    "bibi overalls"?

    I see what you etc.

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  22. I don't normally pay much attention to Israeli politics, but these days I'm praying that Bibi get bounced by a big margin. He deserves it, and the people of Israel deserve much better that a reactionary hawk who's doing nothing by writing checks only America cash.

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  23. . . . Netanyahu was wearing bibi overalls and hanging out at the country store . . .

    "Hey, Jew-boy! You one o' them Jesus-killers? Y'all like drinking the blood of Christian babies, don'tchew?"

    Right. He'd have done well deep in the heartland of America.

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  24. Jeezus (sic) im praying he loses by dukakis like margins and then dies of shame and is reicarnated as a shit worm. You've got to dream bigger, derelict m'boy.

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  25. Shhhhhhhhhhhh! You're not supposed to notice these things.

    Besides, any Republican will tell you right out that it is vital to America's national interest that we get involved in ANOTHER shooting war in the Middle East. President McCain has said that we need to have troops on the ground and in the fighting in Libya, Sudan, Chad, Nigeria, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan, and Iran. Oh, and North Korea.

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  26. Well, according to Mazel-Tits Gellar, MOST American Jews are anti-semites.

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  27. I'm tryin', Aimai. I'm tryin'!

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  28. JennOfArk12:00 PM

    He's a few days late to reach his real audience. CPAC packed it in after the weekend.

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  29. Socialist Cubone12:07 PM

    [blockquote]All of us will turn black if we end up in a cage on fire[/blockquote]


    That's profound, man.

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  30. Lurking Canadian12:08 PM

    The internet can go home for the rest of the day. Nobody's going to say anything more profound about Netanyahu's visit than these five images.

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  31. It's funny 'cause it's (almost) true. The latest headline from The Borowitz Report:

    "Boehner Calls Netanyahu Closest Ally in Fight Against Obama"

    http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/boehner-calls-netanyahu-closest-ally-in-fight-against-obama

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  32. http://blog.writeathome.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/bomb_title-300x229.jpg

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  33. I'm not a big Elton John fan, but I have "Bibi and the Jerks" running through my head now.

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  34. I support a fifty state solution.

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  35. Somebody set up us the Bibi!

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  36. I see execrable commercials on the warming glow machine from "The Emergency Committee for Israel."

    http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/emergency_committee_for_israel

    Anyone surprised to find Billy "Chicken Hawk" Kristol is involved?
    ~

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  37. John Wesley Hardin12:54 PM

    "Why are you so blase? It could happen any fuckin' second! Aieee!"

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  38. John Wesley Hardin1:26 PM

    Real true Heartlanders, you betcha.

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  39. reicarnated as a shit worm.So, no change there.

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  40. John Wesley Hardin1:27 PM

    All your Bibi are belong to us.

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  41. I don't normally pay much attention to Israeli politics, but these days I'm praying that Bibi get bounced by a big margin.Yeah, well, unfortunately Likud are currently running neck-and-neck with the Labor-Hatnuah unity ticket for largest plurality of seats. And that's with (1) publicly sticking a thumb in Obama's eye; (2) conducting a thinly-disguised campaign stop that supposedly had to be televised back home with a time delay because of how close to the line of election law violation it came; (3) tantalizing disclosures about the Netanyahus' high-on-the-hog expenses; and (4) an ongoing backdrop of how few shits he gives about bread-and-butter domestic issues.


    The remaining silver lining is that Bibi doesn't seem to be winning in a blowout, so it will be difficult to put together a solid coalition, especially looking at who the 2nd-4th largest parties will likely be in that case: Labor-Hatnuah, the Arab parties, and the centrist Yesh Atid whose leader Bibi fired from the cabinet, thereby precipitating this election.


    (As of Haaretz's latest poll-of-polls, the center and left would be able to put together a majority ... if the Arab parties and the communists were included, which is probably asking too much.)

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  42. tigrismus1:50 PM

    And treason for which they should be hanged! Is strange fruit even kosher?

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  43. Elephant? I'm pretty sure it's not.

    All the animals that I eat
    Chew their cud and have split feet
    And if to live that creature swims
    It must have scales and must have fins.

    Nope--don't think elephant fits in there.

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  44. smut clyde2:07 PM

    It is, however, the Congressional Black Congress who are hung up on obsessed with skin colour according to non-racist radio lady.

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  45. Well, I have to put this stuff somewhere; it's not like I'll be able to get through all of that tonight when my father calls to rave about how great Bibi's dick tasted.

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  46. Bitter Scribe2:26 PM

    Don't forget Citizen Genet, who ran around America during the French Revolution trying to get us on France's side. He ended up settling here after the Revolutionary government changed, and he ignored a summons to return to France to get his head cut off.


    (Hey, a guy can dream...)

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  47. Thanks for the close-up, mds. Like I say, I don't follow the bouncing Bibi, so it's great to have someone to clue me in on this.

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  48. smut clyde2:27 PM

    He did get turfed out after supporting Franklin R. Pierce for President.

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  49. BigHank533:08 PM

    Have you considered becoming an orphan? Ahead of schedule, I mean.

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  50. M. Krebs3:08 PM

    This makes me think of the guy on Click & Clack's imaginary staff whom they called "Benjamin Notyetyouyahoo."

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  51. coozledad3:08 PM

    All the big girls love Bibi
    "Masculine Bibi" they say
    "Come over and tickle
    Ol' Miss Lindsey's pickle
    It's kosher for you every day".

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  52. Bitter Scribe3:08 PM

    Don't forget Citizen Genet, who ran around after the French Revolution trying to get us to join France in its wars. Then the Revolutionary government changed and recalled Genet so his head could be cut off. He declined the invitation and settled here.


    A guy can dream, can't he?

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  53. What, not even a sexy comet?

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  54. duly-elected head of this state.That's unpatriotic, too.

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  55. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person3:34 PM

    There have been times I've advocated a proportional representation system here in the US. More of a parliamentary setup, like much of the world has. Then there are times though, like mow, when I look at what they all go through, and I have to ask myself, is our political circus so much worse than that? GOP Klown Kar™ and all? I've come down on both sides of that at various times, and I have to say I just don't know. Maybe something simpler, like getting rid of the gerrymandering problem by electing all representatives "at large" by total vote? Fuck, I dunno.

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  56. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person3:42 PM

    King looked forward to Netanyahu’s important speech, which she predicted would be “Churchillian,”

    What, he's gonna stuff a pillow under his suit, pooch out his lower lip, and mumble unintelligibly? That might go viral...

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  57. redoubtagain4:11 PM

    Hair color, maybe. Skin, NSM.

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  58. +1 youth dilate

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  59. redoubtagain4:15 PM

    Churchill, addressing a joint session of Congress (for the first time ever), December 26, 1941: "By the way, I cannot help reflecting that if my father had been American and my mother British instead of the other way around, I might have got here on my own."

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  60. redoubtagain4:20 PM

    "Zat iss not my boomb."

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  61. redoubtagain4:26 PM

    Kinky Friedman'd like a word or two. . .

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  62. smut clyde4:26 PM

    The "Get a brain Morans" image is calling out for a re-mix.

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  63. You're one of my kind.

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  64. M. Krebs5:38 PM

    The letters Q and N are actually next to each other on the wingnut keyboard.

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  65. Tom M6:01 PM

    Speaking of NPR, howza bout Bibi signs the NPT, you know, the one Iran has signed. That way we would all get a look at the nuclear weapons owned by Israel. Or maybe like Saddam, he doesn't have Israeli weapons of mass destruction just the ones we loaned them. Well, not loaned so much as gave.

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  66. DocAmazing6:27 PM

    Starbursts!

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  67. montag27:26 PM

    I must say, I'm not surprised to see how many right-wingers have eagerly nailed themselves to Bibi's cross.

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  68. mgmonklewis7:27 PM

    wearing bibi overalls

    I would like to invite this comment to pop up behind a straw bale with me and deliver a one-liner.

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0f/37/6d/0f376d7837b04d7feab64d3f6f985850.jpg

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  69. smut clyde7:27 PM

    It's all "Outremer is all that stands between you and the Seljuq Sultanate! Send troops and weapons to support Outremer!"

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  70. mgmonklewis7:27 PM

    I needed this tonight.

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  71. mgmonklewis7:27 PM

    Say what you will, he did get hisself a county in Iowa named after him. Which was probably his true plan all along. Sneaky Hungarians!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kossuth_County,_Iowa

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  72. mgmonklewis7:27 PM

    WOW

    That observation is edgy and transgressive and awesome.

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  73. coozledad7:43 PM

    One of our county commissioners is a dead ringer for Junior. Hasn't got his soul, though.

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  74. Fats Durston8:27 PM

    Especially great considering the version of (pre-Outremer) Urban's speech that mistakes the Seljuqs for Persians! ("From the confines of Jerusalem and from the city of Constantinople a grievous report has gone forth and has repeatedly been brought to our ears; namely, that a race from the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race wholly alienated from God, `a generation that set not their heart aright and whose spirit was not steadfast with God,' violently invaded the lands of those Christians and has depopulated them by pillage and fire.")

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  75. AGoodQuestion9:56 PM

    Netanyahu, in contrast, in a 2011 Meet the Press interview, offered unabashed words of praise for the United States: “Israel is the one country in which everyone is pro-American, opposition and coalition alike. And I represent the entire people of Israel who say, ‘Thank you, America.’ And we’re friends of America, and we’re the only reliable allies of America in the Middle East.”



    Well there you have it. One unbiased source quotes another.


    Look, I'm for marriage equality. So if the right wings of two different countries want to get hitched - and Hillyer certainly seems to go on bended knee - I say let 'em. Love is a wonderful thing. But I don't see why it's necessary to drag the rest of us along.

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  76. AGoodQuestion10:02 PM

    It's true that not all typos cause half a million native casualties, but can you imagine if they did?
    [nurses blown mind]

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  77. AGoodQuestion10:08 PM

    All you Bibis hide your faces
    All you people in the street...

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  78. AGoodQuestion10:14 PM

    I guess one of Santa's reindeer would make it more festive.

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  79. AGoodQuestion10:16 PM

    Ah yes, Pam's "No Jew Scotsman" theory.

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  80. ken_lov10:35 PM

    Tellingly, he didn't even mention Israel's sizable non-Jewish population.

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  81. anonymouse12:54 AM

    Every time I make a 'how much worse can it get joke' the level of insanity increases. All I have to say is I am so grateful you guys didn't elect a black, lesbian woman with a disability as president. If you had, we'd probably be swapping our wise cracks around a trash fire, post Republican Secession War of Aught-Nine (and subsequent nuking of Monrovia for reasons to stupid to enter into here).

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  82. Girl by the whirlpool
    Lookin' for a new fool

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  83. Re-reading this today, I'm reminded that Eric Cantor's being ejected from the House leaves the Republican House and Senate with no Jews. Not a single one.

    Makes the Israel fawning just that much creepier.

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  84. Almost true only because Fox News is on the case every day.

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  85. A Democrat duly-elected? Shirley, you jest.

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  86. Let's give him Texas.

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  87. coozledad8:34 AM

    This is also creepy:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/02/27/days-before-apparent-suicide-missouri-auditor-and-potential-governor-agonized-over-alleged-anti-semitism-remarks/



    The only holocaust deniers I've ever known were old Strom Thurmond dixiecrat Reaganite Republican Nazi symps.

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  88. mortimer20009:09 AM

    ...his figure dwarfed in the gay assemblage
    It's a good thing Rod Dreher wasn't alive then. This one line alone would have given him nightmares for weeks.

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  89. The ones he supported stripping full citizenship from, thereby precipitating the cabinet split that triggered this election? Yeah, I'd ask one of these slavering fuckwits in Congress what he thinks of Netanyahu's push to make Israeli Christians second-class citizens, but what would be the point?

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  90. Brian Schlosser9:42 AM

    I want to spend $250 on tickets to see that comment at the US Bank Arena

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  91. Brian Schlosser9:46 AM

    Oh, Dvorak?

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  92. Halloween_Jack9:49 AM

    There are about, say, ninety-nine problems that I'd have with being in a cage on fire, and turning black ain't one.

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  93. Halloween_Jack9:50 AM

    You thought Romneymentum was something? Look to the sky, motherfuckers!

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  94. Ellis_Weiner10:11 AM

    Sure. As in "peeled."

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  95. (glances down at keyboard...)


    Whew! They're nowhere near each other on mine, so I guess I'm not a wingnut.

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  96. Brian Schlosser11:28 AM

    Not that Dvorak...

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  97. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person12:53 PM

    How would you "loan" a nuclear weapon? Do they promise to return it, like a lawnmower--albeit with a bent blade and empty tank--when they're through with it?

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  98. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person12:54 PM

    Zombibi!

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  99. billcinsd1:28 PM

    It's the Evil Midnight Bomber What Only Bomb's At Midnight

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  100. Take a look at Gellar's forehead.... she's got some Klingon ancestry in the gene pool. Oh yeah.

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  101. I think a computer could run our gov't quite efficiently. An Apple of course, not a PC. And no Microsoft programming. "Adobe HQ"?

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  102. He's really got a way with words.

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  103. You mean you don't know? that the Gay Agenda is to force everyone into a Gay Marriage?

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  104. Take a look at Gellar's forehead . . .

    If it's all the same, Id rather not gaze on any part of her.

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  105. StringOnAStick9:55 PM

    It worked for me....

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  106. Smarter than Your Average Bear8:01 PM

    Funny you should mention that - I just happen to have this handy dandy bookmark http://www2.hawaii.edu/~anu/pdf/Dissertation(Sai).pdf :)

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  107. Smarter than Your Average Bear8:03 PM

    They would be so torn - they want to do the same for everyone in America that isn't white

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